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  Annual meeting notes

  by Quandry in

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  don't know if this has been posted before.

  these are the annual meeting notes.

  notice that although the fds "not inspired" an "err" they are the channel of communication.

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  I just wanted to say position and climax in the same sentence.......oompa

  Good stuff! ROTFLMAO

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  Annual meeting notes

  by Quandry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  don't know if this has been posted before.

  these are the annual meeting notes.

  notice that although the fds "not inspired" an "err" they are the channel of communication.

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  "We of the Governing body have not always had the right understanding. The Gov. Body is not inspired and neither are the publications. It is the Holy Spirit that helps us to find the correct understanding".

  What a load of crap! They cannot make the statement that they are not inspired and then say that the spirit is directing them. The Holy Spirit must be lost with as many changes as they make. How can anyone believe this garbage? I get so frustrated when I think about how long I was duped and now my wife and kids still are stuck in that crap hole.

  It seems so logical to me. I have made this statement many times on this board. For me, it is the most logical and obvious proof of their BS. You are either spirit directed or you are not. If the spirit is helping them, then the spirit gets it wrong all the time. Without the spirit guidance they are just a bunch of uneducated, home bible-schooled losers. The thing that is so frustrating is the way they use this supposed spirit guidance to force submission to an ideal created by them!

  I have to stop now. I am getting too angry and may resort to violence on my laptop. Thank you for your time.

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  This is the argument my dad used to justify "new light"

  by marmot in

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  2. beliefs

  i was talking with my dad the other week and i revealed my doubts (well, not doubts really, conviction) that noah's flood didn't cover the earth.

  he tried the usual, first he printed up all the stuff on the flood that he could find on the wt cd (even though i told him that i already read everything the society has ever written about the flood) and when that failed to convince me he brought out the ol' trust in jehovah(tm) line .

  plus, he said that since i was so enamored with science to disprove the flood i should consider how science doesn't have the same position on certain subjects compared to the past and that it's based on progressive understanding.

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  "New Light" is a joke. It is an excuse to cover up bad reasoning and policy. Ask your father how many times since the bible was written has it changed it's original message. When he says none, then ask him how many times the WTBS has changed policy. If he were to say that he believes the same things as Rutherford, he would be D'fed for apostasy. There are numerous examples on JWD to show policy changes. After quoting several, ask him if the FDS claims to be "inspired" by God to write what they do. When he responds in the affirmative, ask him why God changes his mind so much.

  There is no other way to explain "New Light". If the WTBS is "Inspired" from God, then God must have made some obvious doctrinal mistakes. He will then tell you that the Society is made up of imperfect men. This is true and has always been known. That is why they cannot have it both ways. They are either inspired and God's mouthpiece, or they are imperfect men who don't really know anything other than what they can guess at. If they are inspired, then God has made many mistakes. It cannot get any simpler than that.

  Don't expect a reasonable outcome when you say this. I tried it on my dad and was thrown out of his house for being an "Apostate". The funny thing is, I only spoke about things written in their publications.

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  Have you ever forgotten your baby was in the car?

  by changeling in

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  what's up with this wave of people forgetting their babies are in the car?

  i'm a certifiable dingbat but i never forgot my kids were in the car.

  if i ever did, i can't see it happening for more than a few minutes and then running back to the car to get them.

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  I've never forgotten my kids in the car, but for the 1st 3 years after child #3 was born, I was constantly looking for the 4th nonexistent child whenever we went somewhere.
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  Anyone from Phoenix?

  by Cold Creek Swimmer in

  1. jw
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  i am currently working a long way from home in phoenix.

  it would sure be nice to meet some exdubs while i am down here.

  please send me a pm if there is anyone interested in meeting an oregon ex-dub.. ccs.

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  BTTT
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  Anyone from Phoenix?

  by Cold Creek Swimmer in

  1. jw
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  i am currently working a long way from home in phoenix.

  it would sure be nice to meet some exdubs while i am down here.

  please send me a pm if there is anyone interested in meeting an oregon ex-dub.. ccs.

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  Thanks for the response. I am not looking for anything more than just to meet some people who understand what it was like. After a lifetime of living in a box, it is hard to find friends who understand the whole situation. I am working here in Phoenix before my family and I move down. I want to take advantage of the fact that I am away from my still-dub wife and am able to associate with other ex-dubs without having to make excuses for my absence. I am more than willing to send someone my e-mail if they want to go get a bite to eat some evening.

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  Anyone from Phoenix?

  by Cold Creek Swimmer in

  1. jw
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  i am currently working a long way from home in phoenix.

  it would sure be nice to meet some exdubs while i am down here.

  please send me a pm if there is anyone interested in meeting an oregon ex-dub.. ccs.

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  I am currently working a long way from home in Phoenix. It would sure be nice to meet some exdubs while I am down here. Please send me a PM if there is anyone interested in meeting an Oregon Ex-dub.

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  Was There Any Watchtower Interpretation That You Never Quite Understood?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i knew what the watchtower taught regarding the "faithful & discreet slave class" but how they could ever suggest that "domestics" were "individual members" of the anointed that were given food to the other anointed ones, yet they specifically were not members of the governing body, but the governing body represented the group that would take the lead in feeding others, was beyond me!

  the whole interpretation of the fds doctrine is ridiculous!.

  were there certain things that puzzled you as to how the watchtower could come up with a particular view?

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  I was given a talk assignment where the scriptures regarding the 1,260 days and the 2,520 days pointed to a discourse given at an assembly in 1919. I went to the house of an elder in another hall and asked him if we really believed that a bible prophecy pointed to an assembly part. He hemmed and hawed and said that that is what the FDS teaches. He sidestepped whether or not he agreed with the teaching. I didn't. I told him it was ludicrous and I didn't know how I was supposed to say that from the platform with a straight face. Fortunately for me, the meeting was cancelled that night because the roads got very icy.

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  Do you expect the man in the marriage to be strong.

  by free2beme in

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  my mother-in-law had surgery recently and when ever she does go through medical issues, it brings up something i wonder about.

  you see, i think the man or husband, in the relationship needs to be strong at those moments.

  to be the person who people can look to for updated information, perhaps to be the pillar of strength to keep everyone calm in a rough situation and so on.

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  I bet BFD, saywhat29, and the other great gay men here could show him what it means to be respected by a man

  That's good stuff, Eclipse. ROFLMAO.

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  Do you expect the man in the marriage to be strong.

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my mother-in-law had surgery recently and when ever she does go through medical issues, it brings up something i wonder about.

  you see, i think the man or husband, in the relationship needs to be strong at those moments.

  to be the person who people can look to for updated information, perhaps to be the pillar of strength to keep everyone calm in a rough situation and so on.

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  Cold Creek Swimmer

  Strength in a man is very attractive, if its true strength, and not the I AM MAN< ME BOSS mentality often associated with being a strong male rolemodel.

  I AM MAN! I AM the BOSS. Thank God my wife is as strong-willed as she is. As far as I am concerned, a man has got to suck it up and get it done-regardless of the situation. And yes, a man has also got to be vulnerable in front of his wife. The wife needs to feel that the man can handle the crisis whatever it is and be the pillar of strength. How could a woman respect anything less? If there is a BRIEF period of time after the crisis when the man needs a break, or shows some real emotion, that is fine. Humanity is a necessity for all of us. It's the bloke who wets his pants when his wife cuts her finger that is going to continue to fail in life.

  If my wife wasn't who she is, I would not be able to respect her. It is the woman who can control much of the dynamics in the marriage just by showing some strength of character. But it is also the woman who can beat a man down by never letting up. A man has got to be a man and let his balls drop so he can gain the respect of his wife. Poor is the marriage where the man gives up and puts on a dress. Not all women or marriages are this way-for some it seems that there is not much work to their getting along. But I firmly believe that in these relationships the wife has decided not to make an issue of most things until it is something really important to her. I'd bet the real strength in the marriage lies with her and things go well for the both of them because she allows him to believe he is running the show.

  I've been married for almost 20 years. Not an easy accomplishment given some of my past choices. My wife's strength of character is the only reason we have made it this far. I was always strong-willed, but made poor decisions. When I pulled my head out I was suddenly able to see what an idiot I had been and get back on track. Yes, I am MAN, but only with my wife's love and support. And yes, she relies on me and trusts me to make the tough call in the tough situations.

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